Detroit Wayne Mental Health Authority

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Angela Siegfried

I quit smoking thanks to vaping 3 years ago. I did my research first and learned there are a few tobacco harm reduction products available for sale that none of our so called public health orgs tell smokers about. And its not because theyre not far better for your health than smoking. On the contrary valid research studies (not junk science and fear mongering perported by main-stream media) shows these products are far safer than smoking combustible cigarettes. Then why are our most trusted orgs giving out false information that says e-cigs are as bad for you as smoking when research clearly shows its not? Money, thats why. Big pharma pays for our public health organizations and they have a vested interest in sales of smoking related disease medicines. Not to mention their FDA approved nicotine products. And what makes pharmas nicotine products superior to the nicotine in e-cigs? Nothing! They both use the same exact nicotine. So why has the FDA approved nicotine gum and patches for long term use while at the same time banning e-cigs (as of 2018)? Again, it comes down to greed and money. Everyones so afraid that theyll be fooled again by big tobacco. Except that e-cigs are mostly made by consumers, and not tobacco. The irony is if the FDA bans 99% of vapor products (and the general public seems to go along with wanting them banned) then whats left of the industry will be handed over to tobacco! The very last outcome anyone wants. They just cant see the forest through the trees because their too worried about being fooled twice. Science is too far advanced for that to happen again. The genie is already out of the bottle, so to speak. Science couldnt hide dangerous chemicals now if it wanted to because we already know whats safe and whats not thanks to past smoking research. You cant make 50 years of smoking related disease research just disappear. And this same research has been used to vet e-cigs. So far, researchers find e-cigs to be 95% less harmful than smoking. Should we make smokers wait another 10 years (all the while theyre still smoking) while we wait to see what long term studies show? Or should we give them the option to try something that so far proves to be 95% less harmful? Shouldnt it be the smokers choice? The quit or die trying mentality has already killed too many smokers to continue down that road. And now that smokers want to quit, shouldnt we, as their neighbors. allow smokers, that one mistake made as a child when they picked up that first cigarette? You have been lied to. Vaping saves lives. And Im one of of them.

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Brittany Philippart

I think we all need an explanation as to why a Mental Health Organization has decided to attack vaping without doing any reasearch whatsoever. As a MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION, your DOCTORS should have high levels of education and be able to tell that you are not looking at all the facts here. There are so many studies i would post if i could put URLs in this review. The biggest one is SFATA, how about looking at their most recent video of them speaking to legislatures in CA about the reasearch that vaping is 95% safer than traditional combustable tobacco. How about just look at the large (probably 80 lbs) binder the woman pulls out will all of the research associated with vaping. It is easily 1 foot or more thick. Thats a LOT of research. How about read The Royal College of Physicians report "Nicotine without Smoke" and you will find that Nicotine by itself is no more addictive than caffine and does no more harm to the body than a few cups of coffee. The inhaled vapor from our products is not combustion. It is actually very similar to a nebulizer. The only way any harmful chemicals, past the 5% risk, are created in our vapor products is by INCORRECTLY using these devices. Most people can not inhale these vapors for more than 2-4 seconds, The studies in which formaldehyde were found were because the device was used excessively and the button held down in incriments longer than anyone can handle. Causing "dry burns" of cotton wicking materials. These devices were easily made to exceed their safety guidelines by lab workers who were made to find a problem with these devices and exploit that. They seem to have convinced this organization that they are somehow correct in their deliberate misinformation of the public. By putting these billboards up, this organization has done nothing but say "we are ignorant, we dont check true research, we believe what we want." Do some research and re think your standing in the public eye now. I guess you didnt realize that the vaping community was so massive and filled with educated adults. Im guessing you all thought we were a bunch of teenagers that did not know what we were talking about. HA. Remeber something, if you take anything from this, the average Vaper, is 35. Have a nice day and good luck in the open ocean, because that is where you are standing now and there seems to be a lot of hungry sharks out today.

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Patrick Hoscheid

In the wake of the information obtained through scientific analysis, conducted by the Royal College of Physicians earlier this year, I find it beyond belief that you and the entire staff of the DWMHA would have the audacity to post a billboard based on blatant lies and erroneous results from a years-old study, which was based off of old technology which was made in a faulty manner. Further, the study which seems to be what you have based your information on was proven to have used faulty equipment and to be used outside of the recommended settings and was of inferior quality even at the time it was published. Also, the only other concievable study that your billboard could be referencing has been proved to be completely false (with reference to metals in the atomized vapor), therefore your entire argument is moot. What I find even more reprehensible, as a veteran and voter is that you do something like this while being government funded as a substance abuse and mental health clinic. If you would do the proper research and get accurate information you would have the opportunity to save countless lives from the harms of tobacco dependency; instead, you choose to use lies and fear-mongering where the reality is quite the opposite of what you put forward to the public. The fact that you choose this path shows exactly where your allegiance lies and tells the population everything they need to know. I hope that you are more beneficial with patients who have more serious problems, otherwise I urge you to close your doors as you will do more ha than good. Please look at the honest research available (2009-now) and you will see that the general consensus is that vaping is several orders of magnitudes less harmful than traditional tobacco cigarettes... but Im sure you are well aware of that. I would challenge you, as a collective group, to present the research from which you found the information to base these claims off of. Short of that, I will be contacting as many elected officials in your state as possible until your completely untrue statements are removed. I thank you for your time, please be more accurate in any and all statements going forward.

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Matt Zukowski

The mentally ill and LGBT community represent the largest demographic on cigarette smokers and this organization is literally telling them you might as well continue smoking. Its bad enough when health organizations would rather someone get cancer and die than risk a child seeing an adult pretend to smoke but throwing the mentally ill under the bus to this goal is beyond depraved. If someone is on heroin switching to methadone for the rest of their natural life is a net win. But for a mentally ill smoker its literally, literally, quit or die in the slowest most painful way possible even though nicotine has an insanely high safety profile. This philosophy is devoid of all moral and ethical worth. In fact I blame tobacco control for the decline in vaccine use. After all citing trace levels of formaldehyde as carcinogenic knowing full well cigarettes with urea are not any safer "educates" the public into thinking vaccines cause cancer. Same deal with metals like nickle and cadmium. And sure its in the soil so itll be in the plant BUT big tobacco knows perfectly well spending more money on organic tobacco doesnt yield any harm reduction. Public health should be embracing the idea of getting as many people off cigarettes as possible, as quickly as possible, for as little cost as possible. Quitting smoking the right way isnt worth your life and continued smoking only serves to put you in the ground much earlier than expected. Public Heath is as guilty as big tobacco in the denial of how risky cigarette smoking is.

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